• Ulrich@feddit.org
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    tl:dw some the testing shows 300-500% improvements in the 16GB model. Some games are completely unplayable on 8GB while delivering an excellent experience on the 16GB.

    It really does seem like Nvidia is intentionally trying to confuse their own customers for some reason.

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      It really does seem like Nvidia is intentionally trying to confuse their own customers for some reason.

      Its moreso for OEM system integrators, who can buy up thousands of these 5060ti’s and sell them in systems as 5060Ti’s, and the average Joe who buys prebuilts won’t know to go looking at the bottom half of the tech sheet to see if its an 8 or 16.
      As well as yes, direct scamming consumers, because Jensen needs more leather jackets off the AI craze and couldn’t give a rats ass about gamers.

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        I agree that they don’t give half a shit about their actual product, but their biggest competitor has never been more competitive, and Nvidia knows it. Pissing off your costumer base when you don’t have a monopoly is fucking stupid, and Nvidia and the prebuilt manufacturers knows this. It’s business 101.

        There’s gotta be something else. I know businesses aren’t known for making long term plans, because all that will ever matter to them is short term profits. But this is just way too stupid to be because of that.

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          There’s gotta be something else.

          That something else is that they don’t need the gamer market. Providing consumer cards is literally an inconvenience for them at this point, they make 2 billion a quarter from gaming cards but 18 billion on datacenter compute, with some insane 76% gross margins on those products they sell (to continue funding R&D).

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      To me it sounds like they are preying on the gamer who isn’t tech savvy or are desperate. Just a continuation of being anti-consumer and anti-gamer.

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        Yup. This is basically aimed at the people who only know that integrated GPUs are bad and they need a dedicated card, so system manufacturers can create a pre built that technically checks that box for as little money as possible.

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        Okay well that’s the low-hanging fruit but explain to me the correlation? How does confusing their customers fuel their greed?

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            So their strategy is making and selling shitty cards at high prices? Don’t you think that would just make consumers consider a competing brand in the future?

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              For most consumers it might not, the amount of nvidia propaganda advertisement in games is huge.

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              Yea I don’t know why buying a shitty product should convince me to throw more money at the company. They don’t have a monopoly, so I would just go to their competitor instead.

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              The reviews said that it was a better card than the other brand.

              Just imagine how bad those must have been!

              They don’t know they’ve been ripped off.

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              It’s like teens and IPhones, they don’t care if they pickup a used 3 year old iPhone for more money than a new Android, they want the iPhone branding

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    it is 2019, the 2060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2020, the 3060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2023, the 4060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2025, the 5060ti has 8gb of vram.

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    The whole fact that NVIDIA is not allowing AIBs to send the 8GB card to reviewers is quite telling. They are simply banking on illiterate purchasers, system integrators to sell this variant. That’s another low for NVIDIA but hardly surprising anyone.

    Planned obsolescence.

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      I agree, but it is still crazy that there are people out there making $500 plus purchases without the smallest bit of research. I really hope this card fails only for the reason that it deserves to.

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      Because it’s the low-end xx60? Also, apparently Nvidia did some high-tech magic that allows higher-res textures to be handled with less vRAM.

      But, yeah, it’s a 5060. You’re not buying this to play in 4k Ultra.

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        This video clearly shows the NVIDIA magic is pooping in your own pants.

        And the card even struggles at 1080p with 8GB…

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        Ever since the 40 series, you need to downgrade every card by 1 tier to get the actual product. Nvidia marketing gimmick.

        RTX 4060 - RTX 4050

        RTX 4060 Ti - RTX 4050 Ti

        RTX 4070 - RTX 4060

        RTX 4070 Super - higher clock speed RTX 4060

        RTX 4070 Ti - RTX 4060 TI

        RTX 4070 Ti Super - RTX 4070

        RTX 4080 - RTX 4070 TI

        RTX 4080 Super - RTX 4080

        RTX 40?? - RTX 4080 TI. There definitely should have been a GPU in this bracket judging by transistor counts. Would eat into the insane 4090 margin though so it wasn’t meant to be.

        RTX 4090 is of course appropriately named.

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    On the flip-side, every game worth playing uses 2GB vram or less at 1080p.

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      I don’t even have a GPU, but to be honest I don’t even game anymore cuz I work more hours then there are in a day

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        Video editing and AI require as much VRAM as you can get. Not everyone uses the cards just for gaming.

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          Then don’t buy the current-gen low-end card for video editing, mate. Get previous-gen with more vRAM, or go AMD.

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        Depends on the use case. And even at 1080p there are quite a few games that use 8gb or close to it. Ghostrunner and LOTF (2023) come to mind. Although tbf, I played the first one on my RX580 8G (I think) almost maxed out and it did fine.

        But if you’re buying a card now, especially at new modern card prices, you want to have at least a bit of future proofing.

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        I have a game that eats 11 gb of vram on low at 1080p (I play it on windowed). It suffers from some Unreal engine shenanigans and it’s also a few years old.

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          Just like normal ram, if you have more to use then it’ll get used. It doesn’t mean it requires more than 8gb in order to run well.

          I played all of Cyberpunk on high settings with 8gb.

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            You’re not wrong, but then there’s games like this that need at least 6 gb (more on dx12) to run on low without it running out of memory and either crashing or not launching. This is an actual issue with this particular game.

            Edit: Cyberpunk has gotten a lot better though and will run on things it has no business running on.

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          UE is probably the worst engine ever made, even games from 20 years ago look better than that blurry mess of an engine. I hope nobody makes any game on it anymore, most of them are also badly optimized, never understood why people like that engine.

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            Same reason people still use Unity after the whole shitfest on “per install tax”: large community, huge knowledge base, tutorials everywhere, professional courses that focus on it.

            Kinda ironic that the Unreal Tournament games (99, 2004, 3) were all incredibly optimized.