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Cake day: February 27th, 2026

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  • I agree there will still be some things that people can do that they find enjoyment in. But look at how people use their free time today. Do people who like gardening spend more time gardening or on non-productive things like watching TV/YouTube/TikTok? Do people who like playing musical instruments but don’t do it for work spend more time doing that or watching TV/YouTube/TikTok? What about people who like painting? Only a fairly small percentage of people do gardening, play music or paint, yet most people watch TV/YouTube/TikTok. Because passive (non-productive) pastimes are more attractive than active ones. Yet it’s passive pastimes that make people depressed and feel like their life is meaningless (at least when they are used for more than a couple of hours per day). In the future these can be even more attractive with virtual reality and involvement of the other senses, including sexual stimulation.

    I expect if people no longer have to work then even people who continue to have passionate hobbies will not want to spend more than 50% of their time awake on them. And since they will no longer have to prepare any food, clean the house, manage finances or do anything, the remaining 8 hours of their day (assuming they don’t sleep excessively - also bad for mental health) will be on purely passive pastimes. And currently people spending less than half this time on social media are already depressed.





  • I don’t see what the contradiction is in what I said there and my other comment.

    In a world where everything is done better and easier by machines I have a hard time imagining people wanting to spend years of their life learning how to program, how to paint, how to make furniture, how to do science and so on. Hardly anyone makes complicated software in assembly code now that we have higher level programming languages. Hardly any farmers don’t use machinery. Hardly anyone mills grain by hand. People in developed countries don’t wash their clothes by hand. People don’t do things that we can now automate. Those things that everyone used to do now feel like way too much hard work. So I don’t understand why you would think people would still break their backs to do productive things when others are getting better results by asking a robot to do it.


  • even if we get to that point technologically

    We’re pretty much already there. We have robots. They have AI. Most jobs aren’t that complicated - a good proportion could probably be replaced by robots with small improvements in dexterity, predictability and human interaction. Robots just need to become cheaper to make and run which market competition, mass production and nuclear power will gleefully enable.

    capitalists have no workers to steal surplus value from

    They don’t need to get value from human workers, they can get that from robots. Money is only a means to goods and services. Robots can make the goods and provide the services. Lower class people won’t be needed at all. Even the purchases can mainly be done by the wealthy and businesses. Lower class people will not only be uneccessary but entirely non-beneficial to this economy. The only reason those in power might have to keep them around is to inflate their egos by making them prostrate in exchange for their UBI.













  • Right. The propaganda against growing food (you know, like happens all by itself in nature and is necessary for human survival) is so dumb. If you have a problem with certain agricultural practices then name them, don’t just blame “agriculture” as a whole. That’s like blaming humans as a whole for what corporations do. Oh wait, that’s what the same propaganda also does!