• NotAGamer@lemmy.org
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    Nearly half of Americans don’t understand that when an illegal and immoral tactic is used against someone you don’t like, it can then be used against you too. Dumb fucking Americans.

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    So over half of Americans aren’t concerned with accelerating authoritarianism? Great.

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        There’s a meme out there that goes something along the line of “Nothing Ever Happens”. This line of thinking is poison, as it doesn’t take into account incrementalism. The fall into fascism isn’t a single large step, it’s many small steps until one day you’ve realized that you’re no longer in the same place that you were, and that now, you’re lost.

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      A lot of Americans barely understand how the government actually functions.

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        Yes over half. If nearly half of respondents disapprove, than the other over half either support it or don’t care enough to oppose it, which is to say they aren’t concerned about it.

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    If “nearly half” disprove that means more than half approve.
    That’s fucking disgusting.

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      There’s always a good percentage that are indifferent or “don’t know”. But they’re no help.

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          The people that don’t care will continue to not care until it affects them directly. Even with the tariffs it won’t matter until what they’re actually buying gets hit by the price hikes. Even then they may not even be paying enough attention to their finances to notice.

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            And even if they express disapproval they will vote or not vote in the same manner because the other side is worse or both are bad.

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      Per the article:

      47% of U.S. adults disapprove of of deploying the Marines to LA, with 34% approval.

      45% disapprove the National Guard deployment, while 38% said they approve.

      That leaves 19% and 17% that are undecided. The question for those would be are they uninterested or uninformed?

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          …he’s pointing out the percentages. Almost half disapprove but only 38% approve and the rest were undecided

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      To be fair here and without looking up numbers, such polls tend to often show the same pattern. Something like 45% A, 30% undecided, 25% B.

      So when “nearly half” disapprove it can still mean “a majority” does.

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        Not a majority. A plurality.

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          Okay, then let me rephrase it: When “nearly half” disapprove it can (and probably does) mean that there is still no majority (or plurality) approving, which is what OP falsely concluded.

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        This is exactly what happens with democratic societies

        No. This is what happens when you have two sides, both too large to really represent anyone, battling for a sliver of majority using increasingly diverging views and then exercising as much power as they can before the roles flip again.

        In an actual democracy representatives of the people, with many differing views, sit down together and decide case by case on a solution that most can be happy with.

        Someone will always disagree with any decision when we live in a large society, but a functioning democracy is the closest thing we have ever come to making sure that as many as possible are happy (and more importantly get a say).

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          Unfortunately exactly this outcome is the inevitable result of a FPTP voting system combined with political parties. The most stable arrangement of such a system is a two party system, and once it reaches that point the winning party becomes the one willing to take the most extreme position from the other party.

          The only way to fix this is to do away with FPTP and replace it with a proportional voting system that will allow for multiple political parties to be viable and encourage the major parties to seek moderate positions rather than extremes.

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            Absolutely agree! First past the post will always drift toward larger and less representative parties. Even proportional representation can have this tendency, but it is much more resilient.

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            Indeed! And they do under representational democracies. In a community there will always be some sort of law or code, whether written or not, that some members of that community disagree with.

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    These are some depressing numbers.

    47% of U.S. adults disapprove of of deploying the Marines to LA, with 34% approval.

    45% disapprove the National Guard deployment, while 38% said they approve.

    … An equal share — 45% — also disapprove of the protests against ICE, per Monday YouGov polling.

    36% said they approve of the protests, and 19% said they are not sure.

    58% of Democrats said they approved of the anti-ICE protests, compared to 15% of Republicans.

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      58% of Democrats said they approved of the anti-ICE protests, compared to 15% of Republicans.

      I wonder how does it compare to previous iterations of large protests.

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        The article implied this is within historic norms for civil rights protests in the US

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    That’s because there are hundreds of millions of racist fascists here.

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    That’s a lot of people who saw a reporter get shot and went “I’m cool with that”.

    I’m joking. Most of them probably aren’t paying enough attention to have seen that.

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      Most Americans probably haven’t even seen the video. The average person is unbelievably clueless. My friends Instagram reels is animated screaming cucumbers and more brain rot. 0 news, 0 information, just straight retardation. Each of our media spheres is individually tailored and that is a massive problem when it comes to getting people on the same page.

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        I feel like most of my friends follow the news, but I bet you’re right that most people are just in a haze of screaming cucumbers.

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      I’ve seen people claim she deserved it for blocking traffic.

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      Did FOX even show that video?

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      A significant lack of education mixed with misguided hatred.

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      Majority of people are clueless about most issues unless it directly affects them.

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    Less than the majority is depressing, but don’t forget how the media is covering this. MAGA eats this shit up, obviously, but even your standard semi-informed people are getting “riots on the street of LA” bullshit on their local news outlets.

    I’m actually a little surprised it’s “almost half” in disapproval, given how badly this is covered. I wonder if TikTok and Bluesky are helping, the latter being obvious but the former being surprisingly good at showing what’s actually happening on the ground-- at least a lot better than Meta and X options.

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      Yeah, also even though it’s “almost half” there’s more people saying disapprove than approve, so there’s a large number in the “unsure” category right now, and the more we find out about who’s being deported and how and what the cops will do to suppress these protests the more that disapprove number will go up

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    45% disapprove the National Guard deployment, while 38% said they approve.

    So 38% are enemies of Constitution and country.

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      Anytime there’s a poll, it’s always the same 30-39% of shitheads liking the bad thing.

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      The Authoritarians- a book by Prof. Altmeyer- says there’s about 1/3 of the population who are authoritarians and that percentage is pretty constant no matter what one does. SO it sounds about right

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      Well no. Im an enemy of most of the country and certainly its government, not super a fan of the constitution, and im extremely unhappy about this.

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    “nearly half” so over 50% of US adults are mentally challenged it seems

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      Well, remember George Carlin when he said something along the lines of “Think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half the population is dumber than that.”

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      Probably more, some that are mentally challenged awknowledge Trump is terrible, they are just mentally challenged in a nother way.

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    That means a majority approve or don’t care. We’re fucked

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      45% don’t approve and 38% approve someone said further up. Still not great but not the majority the headline makes it seem

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        or don’t care

        17% of the population not giving a shit is a problem

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    This country continues to depress me. It really should be way higher.

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      It’s going to be interesting to see the reaction on the ones who approve when Trumpflation really gets going because farms can’t hire enough workers to pick their fields and work their cattle and poultry mills.

      Good time to plant a victory garden. You’re gonna need it.

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        Funny you mention it. I am growing a garden this year for the first time ever.

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    Wow, we got ALMOST half of America to understand that it’s bad when presidents send the military to threaten Americans.

    That almost makes me think our inevitable decline as a nation will happen slower than I originally thought.

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    So more than half are okay with it or don’t care about it.

    Nothing has changed since the election.