I get what you’re saying but you couldn’t have chosen a worse example… Like yeah absolutely fuck Churchill lol, he’s a huge part of the reason why we’re in this mess with Israel now
Sure, you have a point, just wanted to remind people that western European countries enacted many genocides to similar scale than Nazi Germany (or greater)
Still I would have rooted for Churchill when it comes to the conflict of Nazi Germany versus Britain because I am able to separate actions from blindly supporting everything.
Iran too did absolutely horrible things in the past They sent a lot of children to die during their war with Iraq. The Mahsa Amani stuff everyone keeps bringing up is so lightweight but Western propagaganda is the dumbest stuff.
However, currently Iran is aiding Palestine and fighting Israel and they are not sending children to die for it. So I support that action.
Iran ranks 3rd in the world in numbers of engineers. 70% of them are women.
‘The second class citizens’ is exagerated, and often simply lies for propaganda purposes, like the Mahsa Amini case.
The last execution of homosexuals was 20 years ago, and this was for rape, not bcs homosexuality.
Yes many islamic countries have issues, and these are the typical hasbara machine’s ammo:
“Let us genocide the Palestinians bcs they hate the gays!”
Also your WW2 ‘democracies’ were - and still are in many cases - colonisers and looters of a large part of the world.
That’s hardly a reasonable comparison though is it?
It’s entirely reasonable, you just have a white supremacist double standard.
The allies during WW2 were mostly functioning democracies.
The vast majority of the British Empire couldn’t vote and were considered lesser beings. The US had racial inequality inshrined into law and a habit of murdering minorities. The USSR I leave as an exercise to the reader.
This conflict is a theocratic dictatorship
I assume you mean Israel.
which treats women as second class citizens
Lol, the WW2 allies absolutely treated women as second class citizens, and criminalised homosexuality. Its also ghoulish the way westerners go "these countries treat minorities badly, so it’s ok to kill them (including the minorities). Ukraine isn’t perfect about minorities either, do you use that to say they deserve to get invaded? Oh wait, Ukraine in white.
Both sides are fucking evil and to celebrate one over the other is ignorant.
The British Empire was more evil than Iran by multiple orders of magnitude, yet for some reason (white supremacy) you don’t take this stance on WW2
Churchill voted greatest Briton of all times in 2016.
A white supremacist who used the slogan ‘keep Britain white’.
Called Jews ‘hebrew bloodsuckers’ and has murdered millions
And it’s the same people who voted him that who are now condemning Iran and defending Israel. Whatever ideology they claim to possess, the one they actually practice is white supremacy.
He’s reported to have made certain insensitive comments about black people privately yes, but had never acted against the rights of black Brits and supported the welfare of black Africans. He also spoke very highly of Jews tho he did support Zionism, which had been supported by anti-semites (those who wanted Jews out of Europe).
That looks like it’s from the shit source that is Wikipedia.
Post the link.
Also zionism is not judaism, zionism is fascist and they are anti-semitic towards jews that don’t want to live in their stolen land.
Yes and worldjewishcongress.org, an openly zionist publication isn’t shit or biased? Okay bro.
The Mau Mau was a terrorist organisation indiscriminately killing white people living in Kenya, which obviously doesn’t excuse any potential war crimes committed against them, however should be taken into account and is something your source failed to mention.
Apartheid was perpetrated by Afrikaners once they had full sovereignty as it’s own nation, “democracy” and govt with no influence from the British govt. just like Australia right now. In the same way that Britain cannot be blamed for any of Australia’s war crimes in Iraq that they did not know about.
And yes Iraq was a horrible needless and evil war, Blair was manipulated and influenced by Bush who deserves to be sentenced for war crimes. Many British soldiers were court martialed for there involvement in war crimes which they were held accountable for and cannot be said for US forces who did their best to cover up such crimes. They’re both criminals and horrible people regardless.
That is fundamentally not true, you quite literally took that out of your ass. In terms of how they were considered by the state, they were treated no differently to how people in the UK were treated. Every person living within the British Empire was seen as equal to the people within the UK. Mistreatment of people was down to private entities and rich businessmen who had acted in self-interest similarly to the ones exploiting poor people including children within the UK.
The US had racial inequality enshrined into law and a habit of murdering minorities.
The United States was it’s own entity, who’s laws customs and people had nothing to do with Britain, hence it’s “declaration of independence”. The slave owning thugs and traitors who founded the states had done so for this very reason, and had nothing to do with Britain just because the founders and most were of British descent.
Inequality within the UK itself was never based off of anyone’s race or looks, it stemmed and still does stem from class prejudice and there were never any laws within Britain or its empire discriminatory towards non-white people like the Jim Crow laws in america. It may surprise many americans that inequality and prejudice within the UK is and has always systemically been a product of class prejudice rather than race as it has always been in america.
For centuries in England, those who were able to vote was entirely based off of the person’s wealth or whether they owned land etc and was changed over the span of hundreds of years through voting reforms, yes women were not allowed to vote but that was an issue of not race but sexism which was also reformed.
The first recorded black man in England had worked for Henry VI and was payed and treated exactly the same as about 70% of the population, who at the time, probably no surprise, was almost entirely white.
Has and does racism exist within the UK, yes obviously, it does everywhere, you’re always going to find idiots like Enoch Powell, Nigel Farage and trump but was there ever systematic oppression of ethnic minorities by the state like there was in america, no. Instead it was and still is largely an issue of class prejudice.
The rich people tearing the country apart do not care about who’s lives they ruin, whether its a black or white person, all they care about is lining their own pockets through measures such as austerity which Elon was trying to replicate. They seek to exploit the working class for their own profit as they have done for centuries and were helped massively by that absolute fucking idiot David Cameron who introduced austerity and ruined the lives of millions.
I briefly studied history in uni, so I am well versed on this topic.
The USSR was a functioning democracy, moreso than its peer countries. Rather than being entirely decided by Capital, the Soviets extended democratic input to the economic sector. Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan and This Soviet World by Anna Louise Strong are both good first-hand accounts.
It certainly wasn’t perfect, either, but it was a dramatic improvement on Capitalism. Zhenli has a good article on contextualizing some of the failures of democracy in early Socialism, as well as pointing out how western leftists often let the perfect Socialism in their heads be the enemy of the flawed but really existing Socialism in the real world, that faces real struggles thanks to being a really existing system.
I’m not sure why you’re thinking that I was making any kind of values judgment about the USSR whatsoever (honestly, don’t really feel like getting into it with a tankie right now). All I said was that they weren’t democratic (they weren’t dude), and they were probably our most important ally during WW2.
Go Iran!
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Iran is not the agressor, never was.
And the other side is caricaturally evil
Watch out, the enlightened centrist has arrived!
Winston Churchill, Adolf Hitler, well, they are both bad people. Let’s root for neither of them.
I get what you’re saying but you couldn’t have chosen a worse example… Like yeah absolutely fuck Churchill lol, he’s a huge part of the reason why we’re in this mess with Israel now
It’s still a good example because as bad as Churchill was he was better than Hitler.
Was he, though? How many millions did he murder in the manmade Bengal famine?
I’m not denying Churchills crimes or painting him as good.
How many would Hitler have murdered if he had similar control over the region? Just look at General plan Ost…
There’s a reason the USSR tried to ally with Churchill against Hitler before hostilities even started.
Sure, you have a point, just wanted to remind people that western European countries enacted many genocides to similar scale than Nazi Germany (or greater)
Still I would have rooted for Churchill when it comes to the conflict of Nazi Germany versus Britain because I am able to separate actions from blindly supporting everything.
Iran too did absolutely horrible things in the past They sent a lot of children to die during their war with Iraq. The Mahsa Amani stuff everyone keeps bringing up is so lightweight but Western propagaganda is the dumbest stuff.
However, currently Iran is aiding Palestine and fighting Israel and they are not sending children to die for it. So I support that action.
Churchill ain’t done shit to defeat Hitler, try with Stalin
Most of the allies in world war 2 were horrible, repressive regimes. I would still support them.
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Iran ranks 3rd in the world in numbers of engineers. 70% of them are women.
‘The second class citizens’ is exagerated, and often simply lies for propaganda purposes, like the Mahsa Amini case.
The last execution of homosexuals was 20 years ago, and this was for rape, not bcs homosexuality.
Yes many islamic countries have issues, and these are the typical hasbara machine’s ammo:
“Let us genocide the Palestinians bcs they hate the gays!”
Also your WW2 ‘democracies’ were - and still are in many cases - colonisers and looters of a large part of the world.
Do you have a particular source on modern LGBT realities in Iran you could recommend?
No sorry, LGBT is not particularly my interest.
Maybe go on Lemmygrad and ask them directly.
A few hours ago there were some discussing the attacks.
It’s entirely reasonable, you just have a white supremacist double standard.
The vast majority of the British Empire couldn’t vote and were considered lesser beings. The US had racial inequality inshrined into law and a habit of murdering minorities. The USSR I leave as an exercise to the reader.
I assume you mean Israel.
Lol, the WW2 allies absolutely treated women as second class citizens, and criminalised homosexuality. Its also ghoulish the way westerners go "these countries treat minorities badly, so it’s ok to kill them (including the minorities). Ukraine isn’t perfect about minorities either, do you use that to say they deserve to get invaded? Oh wait, Ukraine in white.
The British Empire was more evil than Iran by multiple orders of magnitude, yet for some reason (white supremacy) you don’t take this stance on WW2
Churchill voted greatest Briton of all times in 2016.
A white supremacist who used the slogan ‘keep Britain white’.
Called Jews ‘hebrew bloodsuckers’ and has murdered millions
And it’s the same people who voted him that who are now condemning Iran and defending Israel. Whatever ideology they claim to possess, the one they actually practice is white supremacy.
He’s reported to have made certain insensitive comments about black people privately yes, but had never acted against the rights of black Brits and supported the welfare of black Africans. He also spoke very highly of Jews tho he did support Zionism, which had been supported by anti-semites (those who wanted Jews out of Europe).
That looks like it’s from the shit source that is Wikipedia.
Post the link.
Also zionism is not judaism, zionism is fascist and they are anti-semitic towards jews that don’t want to live in their stolen land.
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/churchill-claimed-that-jews-invited-persecution
And LOL at “supported the welfare of black Africans”
https://www.fairobserver.com/world-news/british-genocide-in-kenya-time-for-a-reckoning/
And Egypt, S-Africa, Iraq and plenty more.
You are whitewashing one of the biggest mass-murderers of history
Yes and worldjewishcongress.org, an openly zionist publication isn’t shit or biased? Okay bro.
The Mau Mau was a terrorist organisation indiscriminately killing white people living in Kenya, which obviously doesn’t excuse any potential war crimes committed against them, however should be taken into account and is something your source failed to mention.
Apartheid was perpetrated by Afrikaners once they had full sovereignty as it’s own nation, “democracy” and govt with no influence from the British govt. just like Australia right now. In the same way that Britain cannot be blamed for any of Australia’s war crimes in Iraq that they did not know about.
And yes Iraq was a horrible needless and evil war, Blair was manipulated and influenced by Bush who deserves to be sentenced for war crimes. Many British soldiers were court martialed for there involvement in war crimes which they were held accountable for and cannot be said for US forces who did their best to cover up such crimes. They’re both criminals and horrible people regardless.
That is fundamentally not true, you quite literally took that out of your ass. In terms of how they were considered by the state, they were treated no differently to how people in the UK were treated. Every person living within the British Empire was seen as equal to the people within the UK. Mistreatment of people was down to private entities and rich businessmen who had acted in self-interest similarly to the ones exploiting poor people including children within the UK.
The United States was it’s own entity, who’s laws customs and people had nothing to do with Britain, hence it’s “declaration of independence”. The slave owning thugs and traitors who founded the states had done so for this very reason, and had nothing to do with Britain just because the founders and most were of British descent.
Inequality within the UK itself was never based off of anyone’s race or looks, it stemmed and still does stem from class prejudice and there were never any laws within Britain or its empire discriminatory towards non-white people like the Jim Crow laws in america. It may surprise many americans that inequality and prejudice within the UK is and has always systemically been a product of class prejudice rather than race as it has always been in america.
For centuries in England, those who were able to vote was entirely based off of the person’s wealth or whether they owned land etc and was changed over the span of hundreds of years through voting reforms, yes women were not allowed to vote but that was an issue of not race but sexism which was also reformed.
The first recorded black man in England had worked for Henry VI and was payed and treated exactly the same as about 70% of the population, who at the time, probably no surprise, was almost entirely white.
Has and does racism exist within the UK, yes obviously, it does everywhere, you’re always going to find idiots like Enoch Powell, Nigel Farage and trump but was there ever systematic oppression of ethnic minorities by the state like there was in america, no. Instead it was and still is largely an issue of class prejudice.
The rich people tearing the country apart do not care about who’s lives they ruin, whether its a black or white person, all they care about is lining their own pockets through measures such as austerity which Elon was trying to replicate. They seek to exploit the working class for their own profit as they have done for centuries and were helped massively by that absolute fucking idiot David Cameron who introduced austerity and ruined the lives of millions.
I briefly studied history in uni, so I am well versed on this topic.
USSR? You know, the MVPs of WW2?
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I wasn’t joking. Or was the USSR a functioning democracy?
The USSR was a functioning democracy, moreso than its peer countries. Rather than being entirely decided by Capital, the Soviets extended democratic input to the economic sector. Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan and This Soviet World by Anna Louise Strong are both good first-hand accounts.
It certainly wasn’t perfect, either, but it was a dramatic improvement on Capitalism. Zhenli has a good article on contextualizing some of the failures of democracy in early Socialism, as well as pointing out how western leftists often let the perfect Socialism in their heads be the enemy of the flawed but really existing Socialism in the real world, that faces real struggles thanks to being a really existing system.
I’m not sure why you’re thinking that I was making any kind of values judgment about the USSR whatsoever (honestly, don’t really feel like getting into it with a tankie right now). All I said was that they weren’t democratic (they weren’t dude), and they were probably our most important ally during WW2.
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Make your point. No one is here to watch your pathetic adhominem attacks. Stop wasting all of our time.