No lol, he will be remembered for truly reflecting the vulgarity of the American empire. He’s making himself and the class he belongs to wealthy beyond measure. He isn’t traitorous to those he is actually beholden to.
Considering how fucked up a lot of US presidents have been he’ll be in good company
You can’t actually Trump me, I am way older than 13.
dark. accurate. excellent.
Meanwhile he’s still there.
And let me be clear. I’m sick tired of all this “he’s the one bad guy” idea. He’s the shitty tip of the massive shit-iceberg of what is happening in the US. The Rep are stealing the whole fucking country and turning the population in legions of ignorant bigots.
If this keep going. History will be what they decide.
You missed a golden opportunity to say “shit-berg” just thought you should know
Shit birds of a feather…
That was my exact thought.
Truly. The delusional people online chriping up about “wrong side of history” grind my fucking gears.
Talk about premature celebration.
Yall literally do not have a plan to stop him yet. The fuck you mean he’ll go down in history books this way or that way.
Bitch he’s your president right now.
You need to deal with that, and the fascist republicans first.
Right now, they’re winning and robbing you blind simultaneously.
the fascist republicans first.
Yeah sure it’s a “party” problem. It’ll all be fixed by democrats winning. jfc.
It will be, but not only from them winning. This aittitude is a big part of the problem.
You won’t win via a violent revolution, and you wont win via a third party (anyone who understands the basic forces involved when a system has winner takes all or first past the post), so instead you win by slowly taking over the democrat party with increasingly progressive candidates.
Its literally the only way a slow system like the US can be changed, and this “why didn’t they fix it in one term!!!” attitude seeks to attribute blame rather than problem solve.
I think the smart take is to understand the DNC is antagonistic towards our goals but simultaneously is the entity we need to slowly change (through primaries, state and local politics) and continue to support while that happens to avoid the massive harm of having republicans win.
Lots of people don’t understand where Trumpism comes from so they believe (or delude themselves through wishful thinking) that once Trump is gone, everything will just “return to normal,” the anomaly will pass just as it came, and it’ll be like a bad dream.
This is obviously nonsense. The conditions that created Trumpism are still present and worse than ever, and there’s a large segment of the population in this radical right-wing media sphere that propelled Trump to power in the first place and isn’t going to disappear just because one person retires or dies.
But this is why these people are so invested in upholding the status quo, because they don’t understand how the status quo brought us here.
The Rep are stealing the whole fucking country and turning the population in legions of ignorant bigots.
Imagine thinking this is a partisan issue and not the history and ongoing reality of the USA.
The good news is that we can vote away the problem and it will all be solved by electing a dem. \s \s \s
right you are… which is why I see no way out of this for Americans without a civil war
there can be no reasonable negotiation when one part says “let’s negotiate” and the other one says “no, you die or we kill you, end of discussion”
The huge problem here, is a bunch of people who arent maga, will refuse to fight together, making any civil war a trivial win for the magas who are ready to fall in line.
Here we are on a decentralized platform filled with idealists who literally hate any other leftists or center people who don’t align with them 99.99999% on every single issue under the sun.
Division is often a bullshit word to encourage compromising with those that cannot be compromised with. Its super fucking relevant here though.
The infighting will mean an instant loss.
Then the fascists will win and implode if left along long enough… or the remainder of the non-MAGA crowd will finally fall in line to oppose them
Thats not what happened in Germany. They seemed to be picking up steam until outer forces stopped them, and the 50%ers fell in line with the nazi regime.
Part of why Germany kept invading places was to spur on their failing economy with the plunder they got from conquered regions…
Absolutely. You have to remember though, that this is once they had full control and almost completely eliminated certain demographics.
This is not a win state.
and of course that means this is the only outcome possible?
No one said it did, but it seems very likely, because where is the noteworthy resistance?
Currently people are just protesting, but the vices are clamping down.
I believe people protest now because they have some morals and see where this is going, I would expect more once they are actually personally affected
The USA has lived under a “fuck you, got mine” culture for decades, it’ll take some personal harm to undo it
More than that, any negotiation with a side whose primary goal is to hurt outsiders, especially marginalized people, will be to weaken yourself (by sacrificing some demographic) in the hopes that they don’t continue to attack your newly weakened self.
That’s an optimistic point of view. I think world war 3 is far more likely. Trump has been testing the waters internationally with the talk about invading Greenland. He wants to invade Poland, if you know what I mean.
That’s an optimistic point of view
It absolutely isn’t. Civil war is kind of a bad thing. Assuming ww3 is a reality is a particularly pessimistic pov
Pretty sure a US civil war would bring in a bunch of other countries at this stage. Possibly more like Europe before WW2, since a civil war here seems likely to smart with an invasion of red state national guard in a blue state, then California/cascadia fighting back maybe?
And Russia or China would potentially be helping the right, or at least stirring the pot to make it worse for us all. They might help fund the obvious loser to keep it going and more permanently damage the country. China would want to wreak California to finish off the Tech oligarchs so they can dominate that I’d assume.
Then would Europe come help out blue states, they seem happy with Mamdai’s win and policies, but probably wouldn’t want to be a part of it until MAGA or its allies attack them (like Pearl Harbor). Canada would have to join the blue states pretty early on or they wouldn’t last long.
civil war in the usa will be needed… it does not cancel wwiii
the are not mutually exclusive options
I call “taking a dump” as “taking a huge donald” and it’s sort of stuck now.
For me, as a European, Trump genuinely isn’t a whole lot worse than the previous American presidents. Pretty much all of them were war criminals who actively worked to make Europe weak and divided.
If anything, with Trump we’re getting closer to a federal Europe than ever before. I’m not necessarily saying I want a federal Europe. Regardless of that, USA worked tirelessly for decades to make sure it’s not formed. That’s one good argument in favor.
Just in case, this isn’t meant to portray the current US president in any positive light. I highly doubt that’s even possible.
You’re not wrong. Trump has absolutely committed treason but so did Nixon and Kissinger, in very much the same way. Not to mention the war crimes from Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and W. Trump has absolutely raped a minor but he’s not the first president to have done so in our lifetimes. Rounding up immigrants and Brown American citizens and sending them to whoever will take them isn’t new either. That’s been happening since the 1930s.
Trump is only unique in how brazen and open he is about it, and how many crimes he’s willing to commit at once.
For anyone outside the US, there’s barely any difference between Trump and your average US president. The only difference is that he says the quiet part loud sometimes.
Such a tiny difference /s
Well y’all can have him. Right now that pedophile is putting hard working people out of work and letting the poorest among us miss meals all while he rounds up people with darker skin than him to make them disappear. I’m really much more concerned with the evil he is doing here at home than the federalization of Europe. Plank in your own eye and all that.
Indeed, I fully support the EU, I hope the UK will return and more countries that qualify enter the union. The USA views the EU as competition and they know we are a threat to their empire.
Same as a Canadian, he just embodies our view of Americans.
Finally the Arnold family can rest easy and pass on the torch to the Trumps.
Or… Once he’s gone and things settle down for a bit, he’ll only be remembered through a couple of weird memes.
I don’t trust the intelligence or rationality of people anymore to believe they’ll learn from this.
Oh sure and all the countries he threatened to annex will totally forget and that totally won’t stick for generations to come. Yup no one will care that US we’re not even questioning him then when he started pulling that shit.
Think again. We will all make sure you wont forget. Not ever.
Things won’t just settle. That kinda shit getting fixed up won’t just ‘happen on its own’.
Here in Denmark he’s treated like a bad joke. Nobody here actually believes he’ll try to take Greenland after the last time someone from the US visited there.
He’ll be remembered as basically the same as the democrats before and after him.
There are so many assumptions in here.
- America will be relevant in the future.
- Common people will talk about America or its history several generations down the line.
- No one worse will have come along and trumped what Trump does.
Of course people will talk about American and its history several generations down the line, the same way we still talk about the Ottoman Empire.
When did you last talk about the ottoman empire with your colleague or family?
You don’t know my history-buff dad.
Oh, he sounds fun!
I talked about the ottoman empire with my personal trainer yesterday, if that counts as a colleague.
- Assumes Trump’s and Republican actions won’t be whitewashed by the establishment and swept under the rug should we elect a Democrat/liberal.
- Assumes we don’t have an autocracy that prevents us from doing anything about it anyway.
Most of our existing social and governmental structures are going to be radically upended in the next half century by climate change and AI.
I expect Trump will be footnote in history and his memory will be utterly overshadowed by the coming changes. We are heading into those “interesting times” that the old Chinese proverb/curse warned us about.
Trump will become the symbolic image of this period of American history
But the most prominent part of this period of political history is the fact that America allowed this idiot into office in the first place.
The dumb part is not that Trump is who he is … the dumb part is that a whole mass of people, professionals, academics, politicians and leaders either helped, supported or stood by to let this dumb leader into the highest office and keep him there … and to say the least, the American people who all debated among themselves endlessly to the point of allowing this dumb leader to their highest office.
Trump is dumb sure … but the dumbest part of this whole thing is that an entire country paved the way for this one dumb leader to represent them all.
the dumb of the many outweighs the dumb of the few (or the one)
I agree with all of this, but when people talk about Nazis, they mostly talk about Hitler. Only historical scholars talk about how the Nazi party was the largest democratically elected political party in the German parliament during the Weimar Republic. Only deep study starts to discuss the capitalist influence of steel and coal magnates and companies like Deutsche Bank pressuring President Hindenburg to instill Hitler as chancellor.
Make no mistake, we won’t learn from this. The overwhelming narrative will be “somehow, the emperor returned.” I pray we make substantive changes to our government to prevent the overreach that the office of president is currently exhibiting. It’s insane that everyone is watching multiple blatantly illegal things occur daily, but the Supreme Court has ruled that it is impossible for the president to be on the wrong side of the law. I can see that changing if we ever regain control of the executive branch, but I think the general public will eventually come to think of this era as Trump being a Hitler like figure who shoulders almost the entirety of the blame for what has happened and what is yet to come.
Trump will become the symbolic image of this period of American history
Yup.
Our legacy in the history books is tied to Trump and the future is going to view us as a generation of bumbling fools. Garbage people. That’s our historic legacy.
A very embarrassing time to be an American.
Trump will go down in history as the last American president.
Not even just treachery, just a cheap sellout
You can’t betray someone if you only ever serve yourself.
You have to have stood for something good in order to sell out. That was never the case.
I simply hope the second wake-up call finally works. Mamdani’s victory is a start.
He really trumped that up, didn’t he?
He trumped it to the max.
“Trump card” will mean cards that you hide under the table or up your sleeve.
I mean, maybe it will be, but only if the history books share your agenda of whitewashing the country and pretending Trump’s an external problem, rather than an internal problem and a symptom of something that’s always been here, exacerbated by declining conditions.
