

hi, I haven’t used your project, but I saw this thread linked elsewhere, read it, and I just wanted to express two things:
I agree with a lot of what you’ve said about people on Lemmy. It’s sad, it really seemed promising a few years ago. There are still some good people it seems, but I feel like there is a large (but diminishing) silent majority of people who, like me, don’t want to bother engaging because of the people who are too extreme. If you (or anyone else) is aware of some community that is a bit better in this respect, I’d be very interested in joining. (Mostly to lurk and read comments, but perhaps to participate when I have something to add).
Also I wanted to say how sad it is that you can put a ton of work into something and eventually have the community let you down. It’s hard enough to build anything, let alone something that becomes popular, and I can’t imagine how disappointing it is to still have to deal with a toxic community despite contributing like that.
If you have an RSS feed or mastodon account or something then you should let me know, I’d be interested in following it to see what you develop next, or if you have something you want to share. In addition to the technical side, it seems like you have a lot of valuable insight on what is needed to keep a community from going downhill like Lemmy has.
Aside: I started dumping some thoughts on how to make moderation more flexible, allowing more people to report obviously bad stuff, but also maybe having different “moderation lists” that people can contribute to, to reduce the visibility of (but not necessarily hide entirely) more aggressive comments. If the moderators of these lists seem to become too extreme, users can always find a different list, and instance/community admins/moderators could choose different ones to apply by default. Maybe these lists could be made up of smaller groups of people (to keep each other accountable) and peer together to form larger groups, but the others could vote for or against including other groups.
I realize this probably isn’t the right place to ask this sort of question (apologies, you probably just want a break from all of this)… so I’d be happy to be pointed towards somewhere where people discuss this sort of thing.
Long rambling brain dumb of potential ways to make moderation easier and more customizable for different kinds of people
I don’t have any experience with this stuff at all, but I’ve often wondered about different technical solutions for content moderation that could make everyone happy. Is there any way to have co-existing moderation philosophies? Some way to allow some people to filter out kinds of content that they don’t enjoy, leveraging community contributions to different “moderation lists” that people can choose to opt-in to (and possibly opt-out from). Maybe some of these lists wouldn’t hide the content completely but simply push it down into a less visible area, or hide it behind a “too aggressive” button that you can only press if you are interested and in the mood to read comments like that. Then if you feel the comment is reasonable, you can choose to apply different moderation lists that better align with your own feelings, or possibly some sort of “I think this comment was incorrectly tagged, people may be misusing this moderation list”. Maybe people who don’t administer these lists can have those sorts of reports highlighted, so they can re-consider whether or not they agree with the moderators of that list. But worst case if you disagree with their philosophy, you can just find a different list to use to filter the comments you see.
This might help take some of the moderation burden off of instance admins, and also allow for a greater spectrum of people to be able to co-exist on the same platform. The instance admin could simply choose what groups of people they trust as sort of default moderators, and users could even adjust that somewhat if they disagree. I don’t think I could handle the full burden of being a moderator, but I wouldn’t mind occasionally reporting content that I feel is overly hostile or rude, or even unreasonable (though this would be a different list). And I would be okay with my submissions to that list being reviewed by others and perhaps gradually being given more permission, but at the risk of having that permission taken away if I abuse it, perhaps with the chance of being steered in the right direction by a more senior moderator (e.g. use list “aggressive” rather than list “flag for removal”). Also perhaps my submissions to these lists don’t have any effect unless some other number of users agree or make the same submission.
Ideally people would be aware of these lists, and try to be more polite and civil if they really want to engage with many different people and try to change their minds. If they (sometimes) just want to rant and be aggressive, that’s fine, but they can be contained and limited to other people who want to engage in that sort of thing. Maybe they could even voluntarily tag their own comments if they know that it’s not for everyone.
I’ll add that on Lemmy I am sometimes afraid of even downvoting comment that I consider too hostile, at least if others seem to upvote it. This is because I vaguely recall that votes are public, at least to instance admins, and I figure some instance admins could be irrational and doxx me or something.
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ah, thanks for the info! In your original post I missed that you were also the instance admin (though in hindsight that makes much more sense), the post that I saw that linked to this one talked about tesseract.
It’s encouraging to hear that the existing moderation techniques can work for a while, but to me it still feels like a lot of work and stress to expect people to put up with for fun in their spare time (in addition to paying for the hardware and maintaining it), so it would be nice if there were ways to distribute the load somewhat, perhaps giving you the option to take a break whenever you need or want it without major consequences (I assume). Part of why I wanted to respond to your post is because I relate to this feeling of “I’ve had enough”, even from my day job, which pays me and still allows me to disconnect when needed, and sometimes from hobby projects, but at least I can step away from them from weeks or months if I want to.
Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do next! (In my case, I would be happy to have a break from work for a few weeks or months, so I hope you get the chance to do the same if that’s something you want, at least as a break from side projects like this Lemmy instance). If later you decide to start another sort of community on whatever might pop up after Lemmy, I’d be interested in joining it. (I may finally give Beehaw a shot too.)