linux no-systemd minimalism
As in non-automatic being the old fashioned way of downloading a tarball or cloning the git, compiling and installing.
I was thinking more like the defaults on windows of doing upgrades automatically in the background, like a few GB every other week and if not on the desktop at the time or attempting to shutdown you may never notice.
There is a trend for such in linux, some pkg managers or people even making cron jobs to have it done daily, or mozilla
& others
@Para_lyzed
One out of five pkgs in AUR are so unmaintained they don’t even build anymore.
Clieaning up junk is more urgent than screening what comes on.
@constantokra
The majority of people speak of junk/fast food 3 brands of soda, 2, 3 brands of coffee/tea, 2 brnands of tropical fruit ,3 brands of power-drinks, 3 brands of beer,
as nutrition, 2 brands of phone OSs, and it is all crap if not bad for you.
So what is your point?
What is popular is what has been marketed, and it is usually both dominant and a very poor alternative to what it sells for.
I am clearly speaking of the @linux bot constantly pumping systemd only distros, gnome, kde plasma, chrome, qt and other corporate trash that ubuntu mint manjaro debian have embraced as their devs are on the corporate payroll
Init is just one process, 98% of systemd is its logind, or its isolated fork called elogind, and its multilayered dbus labyrinth, which all those mentioned use. Running gnome and its applications without it is nearly impossible
@Rustmilian
The one article almost literally says if you don’t like systemd go to F**BSD and away from linux!
But yes, there are those irrelevant 3 mentions in a site as old as systemd itself.
RedHat is/was to IBM what Qt is to Oracle, vehicles of domination into the open free ecosystem. Marketing dictates what “free” code to use.
Show me 1 ONE article in phoronics that “mentions” alternatives to systemd, and I will not speak of linux or foss ever again!
That would be #OpenRC #S6 #66 #Runit #DaemonTools #Synit etc.
@Rustmilian Now that is #marketing not #FOSS
Qt’s late licensing is more insulting and provocative than MS Oracel IBM Google Facebook put together.
It probably took a 5story legal firm to disect through GPL licensing to figure out a way they can sell and not be open unless you pay
You mean it is a community that exclusively publishes corporate products as linux making no acknowledgement that alternatives exist?
And they have made money not by sharing but by monopolizing and selling, which makes them who they are.
You are a foul if you think a for profit (even non-profit) corporation will have an interest advancing Open and Free software. They are there to OWN code and trade names, MARKET trade names, to defeat alternatives that lack corporate/banking funding.
Yes, we insane people forget those little steps, you sane people consider necessary. You must plug in the chord to the wall and press the power button for nvidia drivers to be updated, while the rest of us consider automatic executing
apt update && apt upgrade
then Y for yes
You will sit here and argue endlessly on semantics till maybe someone says you are right?
I am insane and I have no interest in discussing anything more with you because you can drive anyone crazy!
2 Do you honestly think one can just make a fake account up, register, and publish an AUR pkg with rogue code that easy? There are checks for code whether it is safe or not, whether it is asking for right elevation, altering the filesystem’s rights, etc.
You are making it sound like registering for X and publishing a tweet.
3 The most dangerous software I see on AUR is browser bins by the BIG NAMES not the little script stuff.
People are afraid of people instead of large corps
@constantokra
1 If you take an average AUR pkg and read its content (PKGBUILD) the procedure of building an arch like pkg is not very much unlike the practice of building and installing from source as in the old days. The difference is that when a new revision or need for patch, or rebuild due to fresh libraries/dependencies is necessary through your AUR helper you will be notified.
Then what you consider automatic is a very unique perception of how things work.
In a car automatic transmission means it shifts on its own.
In a non automatic either you shift or it doesn’t happen.
On most pkg managers YOU elect when to upgrade, the output is a list of “upgradable” pkgs, then you are asked whether to proceed or not. Nothing automatic about this.
Auto update would mean software has been updated on its own without you authorizing it.
In all the years I’ve used the AUR I only heard of one pkg violating security, it was recognized pretty fast and was removed within hours from going up. AUR pkgs have history/track/votes on them, with thousands using them it is just as likely an official pkg having rogue code as an aur pkg.
Also, aur pkg are not really software written for the aur, it is software packaged for the arch ecosystem, and several other distros are using them.
You can use sshd/sshfs to transfer files from a vm to another system, or even another vm.
You can shrink the installations partition to 90-95% used space, unmount the target, use dd –> tar.xz/lz/gz then the reverse to a new slightly larger partition, check enlarge whatever, configure, even the UUID of the partition transfers, so even grub.cfg/limine.cfg/lilo/syslinux all work just install in MBR or efi and reboot.
Arch (arch based x86_64)
Download and install
https://sourceforge.net/projects/joborun/files/r/librewolf-122.0.1-03-x86_64.pkg.tar.lz/download
or cd /tmp
mkdir libw
cd libw
wget https://git.disroot.org/joborun-pkg/jobextra/raw/commit/3f78c1796cc471eed86f817cdffc7bcaa038d5b1/librewolf/PKGBUILD
makepkg
sudo pacman -U *x86_64.pkg.tar.*
librewolf
or
firejail librewolf
I have used apt apt-get, apk, pacman, xbps, and I have never encountered an auto-update
Even dumb-gui like synaptics or pamac don’t auto-update
I have never used such a system, I don’t know of a single one, and I wouldn’t use such a system.
Auto downloading and installing software is pretty much a violation of ethics in the unix ecosystem, pretty much anything that begins with Auto should be rejected.
But the general public wants the convenience and luxury of having things done by others without being bothered. Many distros competing with each other for lazy newcomers (ubuntu, mint, debian, manjaro, …) they provide all those non-unix like utilities.
Lately it is getting worse, all sorts of telemtry is branded good
Adding NoScript in librewolf and learning to choose what you want to see, and whether if scripts are enabled to do it on a private window, may be time consuming. But it shows the extent blackmail goes on by pages to allow them to collect data from you.
I often decide I don’t need the information they supply that bad!
@weirdwriter @librewolf