yoasif
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6·5 days agoNot disagreeing with you - just saying that the legal underpinnings of open source are the copyright regime.
Copyright isn’t awesome, it is useful. The whole basis of open source is built on the concept of copyright (copyleft), so alignment with copyright isn’t “sudden”, it is fundamental.
So what is that, a build of Chromium with no Vivaldi features? What is the point exactly? I can download Chromium by itself already. I’ll even get edit history, unlike the big tarball that Vivaldi gives me.
There are many open source licenses. Being closed source isn’t one of them.
Wanna show me the free version of Vivaldi?
Open source is like being pregnant - you either are are you aren’t. Vivaldi isn’t.
But also not open source.
31·8 days agoMozilla is marketing Perplexity in Firefox.
1·11 days agoSo the real question becomes, do we want them using browsers like OpenAI’s new browser, that will likely mine everything they do for their datasets?
What is the difference?
Or do we want a browser that can limit what these AIs can scrape up, like Firefox?
Where has Mozilla shown that Firefox in any way limits what is scraped? All I see is jawboning.
We need to build alternatives that aren’t controlled by billionaires, massive corporations, and venture capitalists.
Okay. Who is doing it? Not Mozilla, clearly.
But if I have to choose between them, I’d rather back Mozilla.
Why? They are using stolen data to obviate community contributions. Your trust seems misplaced.
Eich was a failure. He sat on e10s for years while Chrome continued gaining marketshare. The path to monetization is something he says he wanted to do at Mozilla but did at Brave instead.
At Brave, he started with a Gecko offshoot but couldn’t make it work and retreated to Chromium.
Do you want one company controlling all the AI out there? Controlling all the answers AI gives?
Do you really think that there won’t be multiple models even if the bubble bursts? The “best” models are from China and are open source. “We” don’t control China at all! So I don’t see this as likely.
Mozilla claims they want to develop responsible AI.
Put up or shut up, right?
They say they want to make their AI private, and work on-device. I believe we should be encouraging this, so that we don’t end up with control of AI in the hands of Google, Meta, or Musk.
I had no issue with the AI features in Firefox - the tab sorter and the translations, etc.
What I DO have an issue with is Mozilla turning its users into training fodder for the AI companies - instead of just building that private AI they keep jawboning about.
Saving neither, is my feeling.
Back when Mozilla was building Firefox to save the web, Mozilla was actually producing a product that people could use that did what the big bad companies were pushing. This time around, Mozilla is just selling our eyeballs to the big bad companies while jawboning about how virtuous they are.
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The reason it works is because Mozilla staff isn’t going to offer to call any random person with a “stupid anecdote”.
EDIT: FWIW, your logic is broken: while your imagined yoasif denies the claim, that differs from what Baffalox does in reality - they say “yes, but”. Imagined yoasif just said “no.”
Wouldn’t have been critical of the form of your logic, but I mean – you said my logic was stupid. I’m not sure you understood my logic.
So we should take it seriously.
Thanks for clarifying!
Why did Mozilla staff take it seriously enough to immediately offer to get on a call with the writer of the stupid anecdote?
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Mozilla started working with the copyright pirates this year. Fantastic.