Lock him up. Lock them up. Lock them all up.
Traitors and criminals. Every one.
At least we are learning it was always bullshit.
The system is broken.
Which is why decorum will rescue us if we don’t resist the tide of fascism. Remember the words of Chuck Shumer “fascism loses when we stop resisting it.”
The system is down
All part of their plan.
So officially we are in a dictatorship
I just want the courts or congress or whatever to officially admit that, I’m sick of the pretense of checks and balances
Once everyone is convinced that laws are meaningless shit will spiral out of control. Like whose authority would I recognize over my own at this point?
If masked thugs show up at my door they getting shot, I’m not taking their word for who they claim to be.
And even if they are who they say they are, I will not comply with what I perceive to be illegal orders that I have no good faith that I’d be able to argue in a fair court of law, and even if I were convinced of that…
WHAT DOES EVEN WINNING IN COURT MEAN IF COURTS ARE IGNORED?
When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death row
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
You lost leadership of the
Westerndeveloped world.How weak are you?
You are now aligned with the undeveloped.
Wow aren’t you desperate for attention.
Nobody should have control. Sadly the UN won’t step up
I can guarantee you that letting China take the US’s place as the boot on the neck of the world will be just as shit.
Edit: omg is this a venusaur alt account? Aaron? Do you name all your accounts after Pokémon? XD
Meh, China’s influence in Africa has been orders of magnitude more benevolent than the US’s historical actions. I don’t think there should be any global superpowers, but if there has to be one, I’d rather have a socialist-aligned country than a capitalist one on top.
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Aww did your main account just get banned for harassment and trolling again?
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This was a perfectly reasonable post that should not have been removed. Lemmy is as bad as truth social. Just a different reality is all.
What you think is different, but the way you think and how you protect and nurture those beliefs - which is more important - is exactly the same.
Nah. That’ll just make them fortify their homes and hire armed security and carry on as usual. Something more definite is needed.
Huh, who would’a thunk that “separation of powers” and “checks and balances” were just tools to simultaneously prevent progressive policy from being passed, and to give a semblance of democracy from a capitalist empire
The lack of separation is the problem, as Washington warned against the allowance of political parties
For those slightly confused they’re talking about Washington the President, not Washington the DC.
My point wasn’t that separation of powers is the cause of undemocratic institutions, my point is that it’s a terrible tool for that purpose.
No, it’s great. It’s just shittily implemented in the US.
You’re right, it’s so well-implemented in the rest of the world, such as in my home country of Spain where the supreme court is trying to enjail Catalonian politicians against international law. Surely the idea that law should be ultimately judged by a group of old people who select each other is the best way possible for law to work!
…Then it’s also shittily implemented in Spain. Separation of powers doesn’t mean you can’t have a better system than nomination in the adjudicative branch, and it doesn’t mean you can’t have assholes at the head of branches. It means you don’t grant all branches of power to the same assholes. Which would be worse in any case.
Bottom line: It’s a great and essential principle to maintain democratic institutions, but of course not enough by itself.
If democracy patently doesn’t work under the separation of powers, what compells you to believe it’s an essential principle to maintain democratic institutions?
He didn’t say that separation by itself is sufficient. So naturally just having separation is not enough.
However, it’s a fact that a dictator needs, by definition, to break the separation of power in order to truly become the authoritarian leader with control over the country.
So NOT having separation of power is actually necessary to destroy a democracy.
I feel that trying to defend those things that someone would need to break in order to remove democracy is not a bad idea if we want to maintain democracy.
There are also a lot of other things that are necessary for a dictatorship… such as the dictator not being held accountable (meaning… transparency and mechanisms for accountability would be another principle to maintain democracy), or the dictator suppressing political opposition or dissent (so protecting opposition, whistleblowers and dissent, instead of prosecuting it would be another one). And I’m sure there are many others.
I mean… sure, you can, in theory, have a democracy without those things… but the more safeguards you remove the more and more you are allowing traits of dictatorship to creep in…
Because the alternative has already been tested thoroughly throughout history?
Because the alternative makes it that much easier for an aspiring fascist to take full control of every branch of power?
In what world do you think that not separating powers can have a more democratic outcome?
The constitution makes it extremely clear what to do in this situation.
Do it, you fucking pussies
Decades of chanting “we are the best” yet they cower at the thought of standing up for themselves.
The number of absolute cowards in here whining at you… Christ.
That’s what cowards do. Their children and grandchildren will ask them one day what they did during this time and they’ll lie. Because they’re cowards and that’s what cowards do.
The people cowering and the people chanting we are the best are two completely different groups of people. The NRA is a political group made for “rising when needed”, a prime example of a group in the US chanting we are the best, but the NRA doesn’t see anything thats going on as wrong. Those of us that do see things going wrong are doing our best, but without mass suicide theres not a whole lot more we can do that we aren’t already doing. Writing and calling politicians, showing up to town halls, protesting (violent and nonviolent). I’m not sure what you expect us to do short of forming a leftist militia that will be tienamin squared in less than 2 seconds of forming. The working class as it stands can’t do much other than sit and get shot at by ice and the coast guard while waiting for a larger politician to actually fucking do something.
People down voting you can’t comprehend that a country has a wide range of nuanced views among its citizens for some reason lmao
How do these people make it into adulthood
They haven’t made it to adult hood is the problem.
That’s a nice excuse to give up and let fascists drag your neighbours off to El Salvador.
Land of the Free. Home of the Brave. Yet here you are whining “but it’s haaarrrrddd”. Fucking grow up. It’s called a fight for freedom for a reason. It’s not easy.
You’re bad at reading comprehension.
And what are YOU doing about it since you seem to have all the answers.
It’s the war cry of the subservient American citizen! Look this little one is out here all on its own. Remarkable.
that’s what I thought, nothing
Lots of people are willing to foment civil war part 2 but very few are willing to fight in it.
It’s kinda like how most Americans think that it would be better for the country if more people worked in factories, but none of those same people polled want to work in the factories themselves.
Give me a factory job please. Give me a 9-5 with health insurance that pays me enough to live.
Sorry, this is America. Best we can do is starvation wages with unpredictable hours.
I actually enjoy working in factories personally, that was my first career.
Yeah, I dunno. I never worked in one myself and I don’t want to. But I also wouldn’t be going around talking about what a great thing it would be if everyone worked in factories so 🤷.
You either fight for your democracy or your lose it. That’s the situation you’re in, whether you like it or not.
How do these people make it into adulthood
Saying crap like this is defeatist and putting down people willing to fight and who call for others to do the same is helping the fascists. Which side are you on? It’s your choice.
That’s not defeatist, you are being an ass.
Oh you’re just the perfect example of my very point. Thanks for backing me up.
Explain what you mean or you’ll have changed no one’s mind and preached to your own choir, that is unless that’s what you’ve wanted to do this whole time and don’t actually care what happens to anyone over here.
I am Canadian. I worked as a medic in Canada when 9-11 happened. I volunteered and left my home, family, friends and my job to come to NY to help my fellow man. I felt it was important. EMS then was a pretty small community when you got into higher skill levels so I personally knew some of the FF’s killed that day and many associated with them as well. I was there for a month with a team of fellow Canadians pulling out body parts of your countrymen.
I watched your people rant and rave and run around screaming to kill the terrorists. I watched your president openly lie to the people to get them into this state and declare war over fantasies and money. Our team was told to fuck off and go home when we objected or questioned at all or in any way. After our month was up we did. I personally haven’t crossed the border since and never would again after the treatment we received for trying to help.
We worked with people from all walks of life, all backgrounds on that site. All were screaming for blood without even looking at the facts. No one stood up and said it was not ok. No one attempted to stop it. They all screamed about bombs that never even existed and there was plenty of information available to be informed correctly.
The same is happening again except now it’s at home. You’re waiting for people who don’t care about you to stand up for you while they openly and brazenly lie to you. Until you realize no one is going to do it for you you’re fucked.
You’re right about one thing. There will be no changing someone’s mind and for the most part I could care less what happens to you as Americans after my experiences there. You can Thank your Fellow Americans for that. If I did care I would suggest you would organise but every time I or anyone else does, we get told you’ll just be mowed down in a hail of bullets and to “fuck off” because we are idiots. Familiar. Yet defeating a dictator most often takes risking one’s life. In fact there are very very few instances of it happening any other way.
All this however doesn’t make it less shocking that one of the most brazen, murderous, war mongering and heavily armed populations in the world is so fucking docile and subservient to their masters that they cringe at the thought of fighting for themselves and their neighbors.
The personal anecdote has nothing to do with the people who as I’ve already stated, are already doing everything they can, short of suicide. You interacted with pieces of shit in NYC, one if the most densely populated areas of the country which produced the current president, and are basing your entire view of the country off of those people. I’m not going to sit here and deny your experience, I’m sure they were assholes. Saying the entirety of the people who want to stop the current admin are just like those people is ignorant. Saying that people should openly go and get themselves killed is ignorant. We are the minority. By numbers alone, we can be trampled over and taken care of. We do not have the might of the US armed forced behind us. You are asking us to walk into a meat shredder for fodder. It would be nothing more than a performance, then the US would only be left with the fascists currently in place. Do you really think that would be the world we want to be in, where there is no opposition? Because as it stands we have nothing. The non-MAGA cultists dont have tanks. We dont have missiles, we dont have tear gas and mustard gas. The most any of us have is maybe a semi-automatic rifle. Believe what you want, but as it stands your idea of “fighting back” is handing the country to the fascists on a golden plate.
The excuses are vile. NY is full of assholes. Most of your gang are vilifying southerners not New Yorkers. Enjoy the dictatorship and camps. No one could have prevented this and no one can stop it but you…yet here we all are watching your citizens, judges and lawmakers arrested, deported, sent to concentration camps and even killed. Unknown men in masks abducting people from the street, their homes, work and even courthouses. Your federal government attacking countries with bombs and support for genocide for no reason other than greed. That’s the American way. You all just sit and watch it happen and say but they have guns.
I truly wish you would fight back because eventually it will be my problem. Your drumphkins won’t stop at imaginary lines on a map. He hasn’t thus far. I won’t sit at home and cower when it happens and I can assure you many Canadians are already organized for just that circumstance. Perhaps we will die. But we will try and not roll over like a beaten dog. You seem to have.
There are many examples from the recent past of people with less fighting the American military might with sweet fuck all. The Taliban did it for two decades and never once lost control. Why? Not because they have missiles and rocket launchers but because they’re organized. Ukraine stood duo to what was thought at the time to be the second strongest army in the world. They still stand up today. They didn’t lie down either and I doubt they ever will. Sure they had an organized army but a small one with very little training or modern equipment. No navy boats. Pretty much a non existent Airforce as well.
Americans however are cowards. Plain and simple. Unwilling to fight for themselves, their families or their rights. Every suggestion we could possibly make is met with disdain and the cry of it’s impossible. Yet others have done it multiple times in other places. Even to your own military that is supposedly impossible to fight.
Yes, go march to your death against the most powerful nation on earth. It’s not that fucking easy buddy.
You think Le Resistance didn’t fight knowing they could end up shot dead, or worse? You don’t think they knew it was an uphill battle at all times?
This is why there will be no American revolution, because the Americans are too egotistic to lay down their lives for their fellow countrymen.
Americans think of people like that as Disney characters- no jobs, no families, no dreams. “The good guys” never have to risk anything because their victories are taken for granted.
The USA is a nation of 10 year olds.
Nobody said it would be easy
People around here sure seem to think it is. You need to build a coalition to take them on, that takes time.
Yeah, how many coups have succeeded without the state’s military? I’m just curious and happy to hear of examples. Couldn’t stay awake for that part of history, if they even taught it.
that’s a good question but I imagine not too many
Maybe I was giving op too much credit, but I assumed he was directing his demand to Congress.
THEY MADE IT LEGAL FOR HIM TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS OF COURSE THEY ARE IGNORING HIM
Not exactly
pokes Schumer with a stick
He’s furrowing his brow as much as he can!
Maybe he’s dead. I hope he’s dead.
Well of course. That is what they are being paid to be.
The $upreme Cucks
Of course they are ok with it, they’ve been ok with everything he has done since the beginning.
It’s okay guys, I’m sure that if you go outside and walk some more with some especially passive-aggressive signs the regime will realize their wrongdoings.
What do you think this comment contributes to this conversation?
Oh, I just want to shame the Americans.
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Actually resisting? Making use of that 2nd amendment you so proudly claim is at the very bottom of the hierarchy of needs? Honoring your grandparents and great grandparents who gave their lives in the fight against tyranny? Taking a page from Italy’s book on fighting fascism?
