Forcing that handsome man into a bullet proof vest in an attempt to make him look like a Batman villain should be enough evidence on its own for this to be thrown out.
He do be rockin it tho tbf
He do. He definitely do be rockin’ it nicely. Hella cool. Smoov.
Oh man, the criminal government did criminal shit? Good thing they control the court and the consequences, I guess.
Pretty sure they didn’t commit a crime. And it’s not uncommon for these things to happen in high profile cases. A “fair trial” is very difficult.
it’s literally a violation of his sixth amendment rights as an American citizen.
it’s a crime to violate the rights given to citizens through the constitution.
just to say again.
a crime was committed.
where is the difficulty exemption?
You’re under the mistaken belief that it’s criminal to violate Constitutional rights.
18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
don’t be a dumbass and educate yourself.
That’s two or more people conspiring to violate rights. People still routinely have their Constitutional rights violated and it’s not criminal. I’m literally litigating a § 1983 federal lawsuit right now. It’s rarely criminal. Just stop spreading misinformation.
a 1983 is a deprivation of rights and amounts to a finding of legal implication. it’s a far more serious section compared to 241 because it implies both intent and execution.
241 implies conspiracy to commit to a violation of rights which would fit the current argument better than 1983 since there’s a lack of motive and evidence against the DOJ for violating his sixth. it could be used as discovery to identify evidence between communications to lead to 1983.
a crime is a crime, regardless of who/what committed it. the government is no exception, however it’s not like you can slap cuffs on the entire DOJ. those individuals involved would need to be charged for anything to stick. no different than if an employer killed an employee through neglect. those responsible would be charged, but the company would get off mostly unscathed.
It is difficult to prove willful violation of rights (required for a criminal case) which is why it doesn’t happen often, even while people’s rights are violated routinely.
Charges should be dismissed with prejudice.
He’ll probably end up “suiciding himself with two gunshots to the back of the head” if he actually somehow gets out of this.
Why?
Is that not what happens with a mistrial?
No, usually they have a new trial. If there is prosecutorial misconduct, it could be dismissed with prejudice. It’s pretty rare
The mayor called him a murderer lol how the fuck are they supposed to have a fair trial
They managed to with Derek Chauvin, and the public prejudice was much worse, even from public officials. Their mayor also called him a killer.
There’s no question about Derek Chauvin being the one who did the thing though. We don’t know for certain Luigi Mangione was the one there that day. Extremely different circumstances.
We didn’t know if Floyd was killed though until autopsies, whereas we know Thompson was shot intentionally on camera.
I keep saying it: The one thing that may still save us, is their virtuosic incompetence. All we have to do is give these apes enough rope, and they will eventually hang themselves.
The problem is all the damage they’ll do before then.
True americans knew day one that this whole case is botched and ruined since the administration politicized it and the healthcare CEO’s made it to be WAY more than it was.
Hopefully he is let go and we can start arresting and charge the criminals running our country right now. It’s gonna take years to charge all the people in the white house, so the sooner we start, the better.
Arrest the HC CEOs too. And everyone else complicit in killing people for profit.
Make them face the wall.
Healthcare businesses will always be responsible for saving and taking life. Are you wanting to dissuade anyone from ever working in healthcare and thus dismantle it entirely?
Bullshit. In sane countries, if a doctor bills a service, the insurance simply has to pay it. In most health systems, if a licensed doc bills what is a normal unexceptional standard procedure for a condition, the insurance simply has to pay it. They’re a licensed doctor. That’s just one of the powers of their position. If an insurance company thinks a doctor is committing fraud, they can haul them in front of the medical licensing board and make them justify their diagnoses and treatments. Sane countries simply do not allow insurance companies to arbitrarily deny coverage for non-experimental, non-cosmetic medical treatment. If a doc sets a broken arm, insurance isn’t even allowed to try and weasel their way out of covering it.
Most medical systems around the world work like this - by simply trusting the judgement of state licensed physicians. They do this, and the sky doesn’t fall. And we’re the ones stuck with the most expensive medical system on the planet.
Brian Robert Thompson, the serial killer that murdered 40,000 innocent people, did so by overruling doctors for profit by denying life saving medical care. In most countries his actions would have been a national scandal that would have seen him in a cell for the rest of his life. He was a mass murderer personally responsible for a dozen 9/11s. He literally dwarfed the body count of Osama bin Ladin.
You didn’t disprove my statement.
To disprove it, you would have to claim that these “sane countries” do not deny any life-saving treatment, thus never taking life. Yet every single one of them has limitations in their services. They’re replacing the insurance denial with a system-level denial by means of a narrow scope of provided services. Insurance can’t deny what’s never provided.
So, for clarity, are you claiming that these “sane” healthcare systems never let people die due to treatment that is too expensive?
Brian Robert Thompson, the serial killer that murdered 40,000 innocent people … He was a mass murderer personally responsible for a dozen 9/11s. He literally dwarfed the body count of Osama bin Ladin.
I know you’re trying to cope with your bloodlust by dehumanizing him as much as possible. But this sort of logic makes anyone with a dollar in their pocket into a murderer. It’s insane, and you know it.
You’re just classist when it comes to your views on violence. You don’t actually care about human death and suffering; you only care about optics. You’re perfectly happy with someone murdering tens of thousands of people as long as they wear a suit and use a pen as their murder weapon. Sorry, but if you concoct an insurance system that is deliberately designed to remove people from the life-saving care that they are legally entitled to receive as part of their insurance plan? If you deliberately design a Kafkaesque nightmare literally designed to make people die of their conditions before they’re able to navigate through all the hurdles you place in their path? If you do all of this just to drive your stock price higher? You are every bit as much a murderer as any psychopath that carves people apart with a knife.
And no, this scarcity mentality is bullshit. Yes, there are always some novel, experimental, and ridiculously expensive treatments that need to be denied for cost reasons. But no system, private or public, covers those, so there’s no point considering them for this discussion. But bog-standard well-established treatment do not need to be rationed. No one is going on chemotherapy just for fun. You absolutely can have a system where no one dies from lack of affording standard well-established medical treatments. The US is the outlier here. The rest of the developed world doesn’t have this problem; only us. Yet you’re here, having gouged your own eyes out to willfully blind yourself, saying that you simply cannot see a way how this can be done!
United health cares experiments with randomly denying care falls under “saving life” to you? Seems like capitlist excess and murder to me. They have the highest denial of claims rate by far of any insurer. And they trusted claim denials to AI in order to save money, which they knew for a fact had a 90% error rate, such that 9 of 10 claims it denied were reversed on appeal. Only some people did not appeal, they just died having not appealed, or died waiting for the appeal process. Appeals take 60 days. During that 60 days people simply are denied the care their doctors are shouting that they need. Does being made to just sit and wait 60 days for your first appeal while a treatable cancer eats your insides sound ethical to you? You might get pissed during that wait period eh? Might start doing some target practice. If you did I wouldn’t blame you one little bit. Self defense is what that is.
"The lawsuit, filed last Tuesday in federal court in Minnesota, claims UnitedHealth illegally denied “elderly patients care owed to them under Medicare Advantage Plans” by deploying an AI model known by the company to have a 90% error rate, overriding determinations made by the patients’ physicians that the expenses were medically necessary.
There IS such a thing as criminal mismanagement of a corporate entity, and I think united health care corporation deserves the corporate death penalty for this, and their executives who green lit this program should be imprisoned to the fullest penalty the law can provide for criminal negligence. THIS is exactly why everyone celebrates Mangione. And if laws dont exist to hold these people to account, we need politicians who will make some.
Fun fact: there are other ways of running healthcare than for profit. TYL.
Nothing has to be run for profit.
And it’s an irrelevant statement. A non-profit healthcare outfit would still be responsible for saving and taking life.
Would be funny if they had to let him go because they were so sloppy
In the Alec Baldwin case it seems to me the important people at the office took on the case because it was so high profile. They screwed it up because of their inexperience with actually doing any work.
Could be the same thing happening with this case.
And after the DoJ historically having a 99%+ success rate in front of Grand Juries, this administration has had loss after loss, absolutely unprecedented.
They don’t even get a chance to learn from their mistakes, because they just blame their losses on liberals, somehow. They are convinced that they are right in their legal strategies, so they keep on the same path, despite going over the same cliff, every time.
We all know that’s because Trump insists on the DOJ following his orders even though he doesn’t understand the law, right?
Under qualified Presidents, the DOJ was expected to maintain high standards of ethics and follow the law. That meant bringing indictments with enough evidence to win cases and not prosecuting cases when the evidence didn’t support them.
Under the current clown-shoes administration, the DOJ is expected to bring indictments against anyone who hurt Little Donny’s feelings, regardless of the evidence. And (at least for now) the rest of the judicial system is still following the law, which means that those cases get no traction.
They are sloppy. It they won’t let him go. Owners need this guy in prison, he did it or not
They need someone to crucify in public for this. They chose him.
Now the crucification will cost them so much credibility.
Now the crucification will cost them so much credibility.
It’s a nice thought, but no it won’t. The 99% that always vote two-party really don’t give a fuck about anything other than what their favorite news broadcast tells them to, and all the news broadcasts villainized Luigi and tripped over themselves talking ad nauseum about Thompson being an innocent victim, and a family man, etc. etc. etc.
That doesn’t work as well as it used to. It’s all about infosiloes and reality tunnels these days.
No one has any rights
Did anyone actually think he’s gonna get a fair trial? He’s obviously a patsy set up because they couldn’t find the real guy anyway. Who actually carries the weapon on the bus with them? The real one is probably at the bottom of the East River.
Well, well, well, if it isn’t the consequences of replacing competent career government officials with stooges.
Conservative Justification: You have to be patient, and give the process time to gain momentum. If you need to accelerate the process, then more conservative policies need to be implemented, more harshly.
I’ve been hearing that for literally 40 years. Shouldn’t those policies have kicked in by now?
Oh, right, they did.
Well, that and the murder-friendly administration publicly announcing that you’re going to pursue the death penalty hard probably makes it a whole lot less likely people are gonna try a plea
LOL, as if Democrats wouldn’t have railroaded him too. They 100% support the health care system that is killing people.
I’m pretty sure they’re referring to the incompetence, not the unfair trial
It’s not all out of incompetence though, some of them do know that’s not how the law says it should be (and many don’t, sure), they just want to bully their way into making it work that way and then just keep doing it that way because they don’t like the current way.
Or they know that loyalty matters more than results in the current admin.
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To me, the method here doesn’t matter much. We’d get a fascist approach regardless.
They 100% support the health care system that is killing people.
100%? That’s a lot for a world with Bernie, AoC, and Zohran Mamdani in it.
Those people are the periphery of the Democratic Party, and deliberately held in that place by the rest of the party. When people say “The Democrats” they mean the people with actual power in the party, like Pelosi, Schumer, Harris, etc.
*88%
Maybe theyre not all in, vut they did condemn luigi. They lack a backbone just like the rest of the democrat party. Theyd rather just kinda hope things get better rather than making it happen.
glances around, sees a FBI van across the street
“Of course I condemn violence”
sweats profusely
Don’t blame the Republicans guys! Democrats are not perfect so please don’t look at all the bad things Republicans are doing! Look over here not over there!!
You know: “Their guy sucks as bad as our guy” isn’t the brilliant defense you think it is.
Hehehe. It’d be hilarious to see the whole prosecution fail because they were unsustainably aggressive and sloppy.
It would be amazing if Luigi doesn’t even have to go through a trial because Trump cannot keep his mouth shut about anything.
Reporters need to start baiting Trump and DOJ shills. Force them to break and ruin any chance of this going to trial
The feds have violated lots of people’s right to fair trial over the years but in the past, they weren’t so incompetent and didn’t do it so blatantly.
Hilarious, they were so thirsty to bust someone they fumbled literally everything. Their evidence chain of custody was fucked, no way to prove it’s authentic or untampered
I knew it was horseshit the moment they just found the three things that were impossible to find “from a good Samaritan” all in one neat place. Look at this man right here, he has suspect, motive, and murder weapon on his person’s right now!
This whole case stinks like shit.
The actual killer was good enough to escape and hide for days. He’s long gone and hiding now. Not in a McD’s with all his evidence.
Their facial recognition software gave them some people that vaguely resembled the killer. They dug through their backgrounds and found a queer kid living in a youth hostel, someone estranged from their family. If you were going to pick an innocent person to pin this on, he’s the classic type. Cops have been pinning unsolved crimes on drifters and other undesirables for centuries.
Want to know what I want to know? Where is Luigi’s workshop? That’s my question. How the hell do you print out, machine, refine, prototype, and build a 3D printed gun while living in homeless shelters and youth hostels?
Printing a gun is not like printing a page on a laser printer. It can be done, but it requires a long iterative process and a whole workshop worth of tools. If you want to convince me Luigi made a 3D printed gun, then you damn well better be able to show me his workshop.
So again. Where is Luigi’s workshop?
It’s funny that of all the alleged murderers that end up in court, The put a ballistic vest on Luigi we certainly ain’t gonna shoot him) just to make him look more dangerous.
“we” aren’t. But the Bootlickers might try to. But I agree that it’s to make him look more dangerous. Because they certainly wouldn’t give a shit if a red hat shot him.
If a maga shot him, there wouldn’t even be a trial no doubt.
They have done it that way for everyone since coming into power. Even if they know thr proper procedures, they have continually shown no desire to follow them
