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      But once you read his words he’s got a foot in the door. Then he’s harder to ignore.

      So maybe it’s harder to ignore fools on social media. Which would make social media a kind of fool-enhancer.

      I guess this is where blocking comes in. But that seems drastic.

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    Every operating system contributed to the bloat. Windows has Win32, OS X has Carbon / Cocoa, Linux has X11 and various widget libs that sit on top of it. So it has been a perennial nut to crack to make cross platform widgets - wxWidgets, QT, SWT/JWT/Swing on Java, XMLShell (Firefox), Electron, GTK/GTK#, winelib etc.

    Throw mobile platforms into the mix and it’s an unholy mess. Lowest common denominator is HTML and so the likes of Electron “wins” even though it’s bloated and slow.

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      i actually don’t have a problem with HTML, i just think that instead of every app shipping their own copy of electron, the operating system should provide basic browser functionality.

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    Yeah, not because they saw a way to develop for Win/Mac/Linux/Android/IOS all at the same time and went yeah, we’d take some of that.

    Naw, They REALLY wanted to dip their toes in that 2013 extra 1% of traffic pool.

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    Okay, how does this dude explain native Linux apps?

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    Aren’t Qt and GTK cross platform? I have Dolphin and Kate running on my Windows work laptop.

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      Yeah, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There is a shitload of frontend developers that specialize in web standards and technologies. Electron was developed to take advantage of that deep pool of frontend developers. The side affect, is that other OSes can just support electron and they get the developers and the applications for free. Which has been a major boon for Linux users and those looking to escape Microsoft’s vendor lockin strategy. Today might be different, but in the past, nobody was intending to support Linux by creating electron apps. If they cared so much or it was so important, they would have been using Qt and GTK prior to Electron.

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        Dear god, I had to write wxWidgets/C++ for Win32 last year for work and it was horrific. Never again, back to modern web standards for me. The irony is that it was justified as being “cross platform” but we never got around to actually making it work on Linux. Makes no sense, it should have been an internal web app. (Admittedly, this was for law enforcement software and they seem to love windows.)

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    What kind of shit for brains asshole is still defending Windows in 2025?

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      And what kind of slavering mouth-breathing teoglodyte doesn’t understand that Hannah Montana Linux negates all of these issues, will suck your dixk without hesitation, and lets you read news from four days from now.

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    Abstraction layers? In MY messy pile of spaghetti ass code!?

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    The real reason is it’s a pain in the ass to deploy software in Windows. It’s not like you can easily set up a server and put some packages on and have it just automatically apt update to that. Sure there’s some “Enterprise” servers you could set up (and pay license fees for) that might work somewhat like that, but it’s easier to just make it a web app and deploy to an internet webserver.

    For product distribution, you need someone download an .exe, hope a virus scanner won’t block it, maybe pay microsoft to sign it or whatever, hope the user has a compatible version of windows, and maybe they can get some working software. But then you have to make some mechanism to handle updates and hopefully that doesn’t get blocked by some security software. So it’s easier to make your software a web application.

    Also putting out windows native applications means you might not be able to enshittify it later since people could continue to use the old version forever. It’s weird to assume enshittification happens accidentally, but it’s actually what some companies want to do their software because $$$. They want applications they can enshitty later, they don’t make applications that may work on linux and whoopsie it just somehow got enshittified because of that… somehow.

    But many times it’s just best solution. If an application doesn’t need access to anything on my system, I’d rather it be a web app. App does the thing I need, and when I’m done, I close the tab and we’re done. Why install more software on my system if I don’t need to?

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    Meanwhile Microsoft makes the start menu with React

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        That is the most punchable response I’ve seen in a while.

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          Punchable is a bit far, probably wanna tone it down a bit, big guy.

          Just kidding, but it’s only funny and also is it this guys fault?

          I don’t even know if it’s true, but in any case, the guy who tasked a react (native) developer on the start menu is responsible (not the developer).

          Example: If I managed a product and hired a python developer and told them to do x, they would likely use python, right? (In this scenario, It is I the manager wjo failed everyone, not the developer).

          Also the other commenter is correct. It’s like the common saying “use the right tool for the job”. The saying doesn’t make sense, because the right tool is always the one you know how to use…

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            Punchable is a bit far

            Didn’t mean that literally 😁 I just thought it was funny to describe a written response as punchable. But the response was annoying.

            It might not be the developer’s fault, but him practically defending the choice by completely dodging the performance aspect is irresponsible to me. It’s like he’s ashamed to discuss it. Or doesn’t have the knowledge to?

            A good developer should speak up and say that they might not have the skill set required for the task. That’s my opinion. Either that or learn the ropes but flag for extra time needed.

            the right tool is always the one you know how to use…

            100% disagree. There are more suitable tools for certain jobs.

            Hello I am looking for a job as a surgeon. Okay what tools do you know? Jackhammer. That’s the only one you know? Yup. Mmkay then that’s the right tool for surgery in your case, can you start Monday?

            🫠

            Imagine someone using Java to write a program that just runs several other commands in sequence. That should really be a script, and the developer should learn a sufficiently suitable shell scripting language.

            But yeah, ultimately I agree, it’s not his “fault”. Especially if he flagged this to be something a bit out of the ordinary, and his manager(?) insisted. Then it’s 100% not the guy’s fault, for sure ong.

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          When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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        “I am a react developer”

        I thought we are supposed to be language-agnostic after 3rd project.

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          In the era of tech evangelists? People pick 1 technology branch and make it their entire personality

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            That’s still a stupid reason. I’m a .NET & MSSQL developer primarily, I’m not gonna shove C# in every project I write if it doesn’t makes sense.

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          Probably, but only because at this point I’m fairly certain reality itself must be a parody of something.

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      Well, at least it’s React Native, seemingly. Also from what I’ve heard it’s only one section like rendering results from the web or some shit like that.