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Say it with me: Tariffs. Are. Taxes.
He’s raising your taxes.
A consumption tax. A tax that hits the pocketbooks of the poorer harder and the wealthy lighter.
Worse, it’s taxes on poor people. Rich people don’t buy anything with their money, so they’re spared, but poor people are spending the money on things, and things are imported.
Rich people buy things, but not at the rate that lower income people do. A CEO who makes 1000x as much as you isn’t buying 1000x as many pairs of pants, for instance. This is why sales taxes are considered regressive.
“Tariffs. Are. Taxes.”
Tariffs 👏 Are 👏 Taxes 👏
Western European here, I’m just happy Americans living here are finally getting off their high horse and realize maybe the USA isn’t the best at everything.
We’ve never been the best, and some weird race to prove who is the best is a waste of time. I hate it here.
Exactly! There’s no need for competition, but they (blanket statement) always made it about “oh it’s like that here, but in the USA…”.
I mean, speaking of your home experiences as a point of comparison isn’t inherently bad.
That’s right, it can even be interesting to make comparisons and hear people’s viewpoints. Unfortunately it was very often from an attitude of not knowing why we wouldn’t do it like the USA does it, cuz that works so well. Those conversations get tiring after a while.
Yeah, I can see how that can get old.
As a European/American, I know how fucked things are, that’s why I’m here now, not there, and never moving back. Those Americans drank the cool aid.
cool aid
Already using the European spelling and everything. Truly assimilated.
Do you also spell it as “lemon aid”?
Don’t worry, we are also the best at blaming anyone else for our problem. This will be quickly forgotten and/or blamed on liberals, Chinese communists or the phase of the moon.
Logic didn’t get us into this situation and it sure as hell isn’t getting us out!
I’ve personally not seen a single conservative recognize or admit that their policies hurt themselves. At most, ONE of them said things might get a little tougher for a while, but we’ll be better off in the end. I’m surrounded by these idiots. They’re hopelessly lost.
If it was, why would they live in western Europe? My country has its flaws, but out of all the places I’ve visited or even lived, it’s the place I think is doing stuff the best. If it wasn’t, I would move elsewhere. No way I would move away from what I percieve as the best country in the world. That’s just dumb.
Don’t get the started on the mental gymnastics of those Americans. They bitch and whine about how people don’t treat them the same as the locals, even though after 5 years they speak know only the absolute basics of the local language.
I don’t know how they justify it, but they seem to think being American puts them above other cultures by default.
Do you somehow not realize moving countries is difficult and expensive?
I do, so why would someone move from the supposedly “greatest country on earth”, to somewhere else if it’s so difficult and expensive?
They wouldn’t. I was commenting on the fact that you said you’d move if you didn’t like your country best
I would. Granted, I am fairly privileged and live better than a lot of people, so that is mainly a comment for myself.
I am assuming you are Danish from your instance. In any case, don’t you realize that the only reason you could just move countries is that you already won the jackpot? Yes, you are quite privileged. Many Americans would love to live in Denmark. I know I would. It’s far from an easy option and pretty much means I’d not see my family except maybe once every year or two
From my previous comment, “I am fairly privileged and live better than a lot of people”
Fucking love Denmark too
A Western European talking about high horses is pretty damn funny.
Oh, and domestic industrial infrastructure spending is way, way down, because nobody knows when Trump’s going to throw the next grenade into the economy, so nobody is committing to investments.
Honestly? I’m just glad they are realizing and suffering from it. I’m really done with the US and all the bullshit they are giving the rest of the world. At this point I only wish the country went into a bankrupt and all these fuckers went ito misery. And don’t start with the “but they are a minority, not all america is like that”. Minority my ass. More than half of the country actively put that cunt in the white house, by actively voting for him or not voting at all because “both sides”.
You imposed to the rest of the world a misery that nobody wanted so it’s only fair if nobody gives a shit if now you get to taste what you voted.
Majority of voters, the majority of the population either didn’t vote or voted for the other person.
I’m sorry to tell you this but not voting means you are ok with any of the alternatives that were voted. So yeah, not voting meant that you considered Harris and Trump to be both ok as your president.
Sure but that’s not what was said.
Yeah the almost third of this country that isn’t even voting age definitely thinks like that.
tell me you don’t understand why the majority of americans don’t vote without understanding why the majority of americans don’t vote.
it’s not a conscious choice they’re making, you fuckass motherfucker, these people are oppressed and not given the opportunity to vote, by and large.
i voted, but it was a privilege not everyone here realistically gets.
this shitty fucking myth that all americans are okay with what is happening needs to die. people like you are the exact same as the people who are tearing my country apart. learn some human empathy and geopolitics ffs
edit: as someone who seems to value metrics so much you’d think you would understand that the majority of americans do not in fact support what is going on, implicitly or not.
Most people who didn’t vote, had an opportunity to do so, but decided to not do anything. Sure, there is an amazing number of people who’s vote was suppressed, but there is a bigger number of people who decided that both parties are the same, or decided that they can’t be fucked to register, or who didn’t have stamps at home so they decided to abandon the democracy, and so on and so forth. All of that was a conscious choice, and the choice was Trump, and all the consequences of it.
this shitty fucking myth that all americans are okay with what is happening needs to die.
Yeah sure man. We’ll have to take that on faith I suppose. After all, none of use were likely alive during past incidents when Americans utterly failed to do the right thing until it was absolutely necessary and directly threatened them. It’s a source of constant solace to the rest of the world, which is, of course, why we’re selling off your treasury bonds.
Yeah, poor you, right? Sorry, I’m not sure I can care about you when thanks to your elections, a good portion of the world is bracing for an economic and climatic disaster that your president, the one you americans elected, is imposing to the whole world (that couldn’t vote in your elections but kept telling you how bad of an idea was to pick him).
The older I get the less I am able to make use of the concept of punishment or even (lasting) guilt. I mean what is even the point of punishing? It just adds more misery on top.
Don’t get me wrong: It is necessary to reflect on the bad things one did. But I do not feel like guilt and shame create an environment that promotes this behaviour.
I’d rather we change the minds of the people who did vote for Trump and they have less suffering. No one should suffer, but especially not the large minority that did the right thing and voted against him, only to be lumped in with the Trump voters by peoole such as you.
If they had “less suffering”, they would think everything is fine and dandy and their dipshit in chief does a fantastic job. They have been conditioned to ignore reality. They won’t listen to any arguments, they’ll just call them fake news. Been there, done that.
After years and years of having tried to reach these people with reason, it’s time they got a reality check, even if suffering is what it takes.
Only half of the population voted for Trump. The rest is suffering without any eye for an eye reason.
Half of the population that voted, did it for Trump. All of the population that didn’t vote (and could), did indirectly vote for him.
Ok? And the other half, that voted against him? Do you literally have no empathy for them?
The US has been fucking around with the whole world putting tariffs everywhere. We tried to warn you, the whole world tried to tell the US how bad for everyone would be to put the tangerine mussolini in the white house. The US ignored every single red flag and now that the country is in the find out phase, we should have empathy for them?
Poor americans, right?
This kind of emotional response is why there’s an active genocide in Gaza right now. Hamas killed some folks, they technically represent the population, so…COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT. People yearning for suffering because some portion of a heterogeneous population is terrible. Go back to the 1930s and say “kill all Nazis” and I’m on board. If you say kill all Germans, though…it’s a lack of nuance that at the very least borders on genocidal.
Plenty of us in the USA have suffered and fought our entire lives. We are a nation with an actively oppressed underclass. Even for those with the chance to leave (as I have in the past), we have friends and family here who don’t have the means to leave even if they would. Many people are also brainwashed. I know people who had almost no fucking chance growing up. Living in a dilapidated trailer, Fox News blaring on TV, no good education, etc. Yes, people can get out of that, but when your parents are terrible shitheels, and you’re surrounded by terrible shitheels, there’s a big discussion to be had about how much of a chance someone has to pull themselves up by their bootstraps…and I don’t just mean that in terms of improving their economic conditions, but literally the way they think. We need to teach class consciousness worldwide, not consider a large percentage of a population just collateral damage. I don’t think it’s moral to just consider a quarter of a population to be thrown to the wolves, or even another quarter that’s apathetic because of the systems they have no control over brainwashing them into compliance.
No one should suffer, but especially not the huge majority that couldn’t even vote because they were not citizens of the country that now is screwing them so bad.
Being lumped in with other people? That’s how things work, dear Americans.
Just ask my German grandpa who got executed for trying to avoid fighting for the Wehrmacht and who is still being called a Nazi soldier by the world because he happened to be on the wrong side of history.
2/3rds of the voting age population did not vote for Trump.
If you have to choose between a fascist and a non fascist politician and you decide to not vote, you are saying that it’s fine getting either. So yeah, not voting is saying you are fine with Trump.
Around 20% of voting age population voted against it. The rest was either enthusiasticly pro trump, or were OK with it.
An ignorant point of view from every angle but especially the part that somehow concludes that over half of Americans wanted this. Downvote me all you want
Sorry to break it to you mate, but maths are not an opinion.
If half of the people who could vote, voted for Harris, Tangerine Mussolini wouldn’t be in the white house.
But that’s not what happened. What happened is that less than half of the people who voted, did it for Harris. All those who could vote and didn’t were fine with the Tangerine Mussolini getting to the white house. If they voted for Harris, we wouldn’t be here now talking about how tons of americans are now discovering how everyone telling them how bad this would be for them were, in fact, right.
Yes you need things to be simple for your hate but they aren’t. And further, there’s nothing “active” about not voting. You’re a bigot and I wish you a bad day.
Americans had two options:
They could vote for a literal fascist
or they could vote for someone who, with all their flaws, was not a literal fascist.
The third option, not voting, meant you were ok with both options, so by not voting, you sent the message of being ok with getting a literal fascist as your president. I’m sorry but that’s how it works, if you are ok with having a fascist president, you are, at least, a fascism enabler.
That’s not bigotry, that’s how it is.
Sure, you hate Americans. That’s a fact.
TIL: Maths are offensive to americans. Explaining them is a hate crime.
Maths are offensive to americans.
Of course they are. They’ve only got one math, and even that is too much for most of them.
Lol. In this thread, American’t understand bigotry.
You should try a dictionary
I don’t get it… why don’t they just make steel from scratch? Lazy manufacturers importing Chinese materials…
Canada is the largest source (just bumped to 35% tariff), followed closely by Brazil (50%). China doesn’t ship much raw steel to the US to because it’s terrible steel.
They should be smelting iron in their backyards!
Buncha fucking idiots.
ON DAY ONE!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
Trump supporters are in the find out phase. Unfortunately so are the rest of us
not as long as fox/newsmax/oan isnt reporting on it, or in a non-misinformation way
I’ll just buy straight from the source using AliExpress. Thank you Americans. You have made my life cheaper.
The sellers on AliExpress have to pay duty now. Granted, they probably declare far less than true value, but the tariffs already made prices on AliExpress increase. You just don’t notice it because it’s rolled into the sale price or added to taxes and shipping.
Most things I shop for on AE are around 20% higher than they were before the tariffs started and de minimis was removed. I suspect sellers were shipping from China to other countries and then to US so the tariffs wouldn’t be so harsh. Now that we seem to be removing the de minimis exception from other countries, that work around could end - leading to additional price increases.
Ideally, you’d boycott Chinese products too.
I mean, I’m fully aware that “everything is made in China”, but - to me - there’s a difference in supporting a [somewhere]-based company that pays taxes [somewhere] and purchases components/manufactures in China (sending part of my money there), and buying full-on Chinese, and having 100% of my money support a genocidal government.
Your point is valid, but non-genocidal governments are getting harder to find any more.
China has authoritarianism and repression but not full on mass genocide like America and the EU.
Tell that to the Uyghurs.
Can you show evidence of mass genocide on Uygurs?
Yes that is repression and authoritarianism. Not everything is genocide. Unless you use the CIA created organization Radio Free Asia as source.
What the West is doing in Gaza has every major human rights organization qualifying it as genocide.
This is what a Wikipedia page of genocide looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
This is not to say Chinese repression and authoritarianism is great, but it is “better” than literal mass extermination.
Persecution. Not mass extermination. This is what a Wikipedia page about genocide looks like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
Alright so we’ll just go ahead and mark you down for “indifferent to Uyghur persecution”.
Also, the treatment of Uyghurs meets the definition for genocide. Please read the article.
Those accusing China of genocide point to intentional acts they say violate Article II of the Genocide Convention,[22][23][24] which prohibits “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part,” a “racial or religious group” including “causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group” and “measures intended to prevent births within the group”.[
Those who? Which respected human rights organization calls it a genocide? [22][23][24]?
No genocides recently, just massacring millions of their own civilians for having a different belief.
Do you have any credible sources for this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_China
You can dig into the sources for each event. For my above comment I didnt dig into the sources.
I am sure China has committed genocides in the past but I am also not putting Japan on the genocide list because the rape of Nanking. The only event people keep bringing up regarding China is the Tiannenmen Square riots where less than a thousand people were killed. And even accepting all Western narratives that was certainly not a targeted extermination of a certain population but it would be political repression.
We are talking about active genocides. People need to stop devalueing the word genocide.
I buy from where is cheaper. I’d buy in Taobao if I could but I don’t know how it works, so, temu and AliExpress for me.
Besides their packages almost never get stolen by customs in my country, unlike amazon’s
but. the economy is BOOMING. 💪🇺🇸💪🇺🇸💪 🇺🇸 Talking head said so
Particularly one small orange dick, imported directly into his mouth
They just turn around and complain more about how much we import as being the problem, not the fact that trump’s tariffs are costing them. Not that sweeping, knee-jerk tariffs with absolutely no plan to increase US industries to compensate for supply issues is the real problem.
Almost everything we do requires imports at some level. If it’s not direct ingredients, the machines we use need parts, or them themselves come in.
If we wanted to solve it in a sustainable way, take all those fucking tax cuts for the rich, make them pay taxes and start grants for entrepreneurs to start manufacturing companies until we can make metal mesh and plastic shit here again for pennies.
Make sure grants are only issued to things that are in need and that they have buyers lined up.
It may be put together in America. It sure isn’t sourced in America
…have the day you, wink, voted for…
